{"id":405,"date":"2013-07-25T17:37:54","date_gmt":"2013-07-25T22:37:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/?p=405"},"modified":"2013-07-28T18:34:02","modified_gmt":"2013-07-28T23:34:02","slug":"first-order-language","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/2013\/07\/25\/first-order-language\/","title":{"rendered":"First-order Language"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I have been thinking a lot. I am considering (and inclined toward) the view that we must restrict ourselves to a first-order language. As I recall, Quine believed this. I think it destroys most of math. But science can, I think, get along with just rational numbers. It is possible to do math as just manipulation of symbols, which have no meaning &#8211; except in our imaginations. Also, it seems to destroy my ideas about belief.<\/p>\n<p>After more thought: I am not sure it affects my philosophy of belief. I quantify over symbols for properties and relations &#8211; not properties and relations themselves!<\/p>\n<p>Note: (later yet). There could be many properties and relations foe which there are no symbols.<\/p>\n<p>Another Note (Still later). Could you permit quantifying over names of properties and relations of properties and relations and so forth (without quantifying over the properties and relations themselves?<\/p>\n<p>Another Note (Still later) I read in Goble &#8211; _The Blackwell Guide to Philosophical Logic_ (page 34)\u00a0 that thhere cannot be adequate descriptions of natural (hence rational) numbers in first-order languages. I had forgotten that &#8212; there is so much to remember. I need to work out axioms for my idea &#8211; which is not either exactly first-order or higher-order. (at least as I understand these).<\/p>\n<p>Another Note (7\/28) I should have known 1st order logic was inadequate to arithmetic &#8211; as Goedel&#8217;s theorem proves any logic adequate to arithmetic is incomplete, and he also proved st order logic was complete. (At least if my foggy memory &amp; reasoning are correct).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have been thinking a lot. I am considering (and inclined toward) the view that we must restrict ourselves to a first-order language. As I recall, Quine believed this. I think it destroys most of math. But science can, I think, get along with just rational numbers. It is possible&#8230; <a class=\"continue-reading-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/2013\/07\/25\/first-order-language\/\"> Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr; <\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[4,10,3,9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-405","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-computer-science","category-logic","category-math","category-philosophy"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/405","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=405"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/405\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":407,"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/405\/revisions\/407"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=405"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=405"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dennisdarland.com\/dennisdaze\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=405"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}